December 11, 2009

Amanda Knox: Trial "Correct"?


Umm, what? In a puzzling statement from the controversial, recently convicted murderer in Italy, Amanda Knox said that she believes her trial was "correct", but that she thought she would be home for Christmas.

There had been much controversy around this trial of an American woman in Italy, with the girl's defenders saying she was victim to anti-Americanism there. But Amanda, though she still seems to be maintaining her innocence, has apparently now said she believes the Italian justice system is fair, and that though she is crushed by the guilty verdict, she will have faith in the process there to set her free throigh the appeals by her lawyers. I frankly don't know what to make of this case, so please feel free to explain in the comments. Should I believe her?

Amanda Knox: Trial "Correct"?
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Amanda Knox told an Italian member of Parliament she had expected to be home for Christmas, but despite the crushing disappointment of being convicted her trial was "correct" and that she still has faith in Italian courts...Knox made her comments to Walter Verini, a Parliamentarian representing the region of Umbria where Knox is jailed, four days after a jury found her guilty of murdering British roommate Meredith Kercher on Nov. 1, 2007...

Amanda Knox: Trial "Correct"?

Posted at December 11, 2009 4:28 AM
Comments

I do not believe she is a killer.Send her home.

Posted by: David Gullerat at December 11, 2009 7:21 AM

I do not believe she is a guilty. Send her home.

Posted by: David Gullerat at December 11, 2009 7:23 AM

I believe Amanda Knox is Guilty as sin. During her court confession she never pleaded for mercy, she never ask that they find the killer, she never, said sorry, rather she thanked her lawyers, which is ok. Her emotions never appeared, geniune. Her boyfriend had a stupid grin on his face during the trial.

Posted by: jessy at December 11, 2009 7:44 AM

I believe Amanda Knox is Guilty as sin. During her court confession she never pleaded for mercy, she never ask that they find the killer, she never, said sorry, rather she thanked her lawyers, which is ok. Her emotions never appeared, geniune. Her boyfriend had a stupid grin on his face during the trial.

Posted by: jessy at December 11, 2009 7:45 AM

I thing amanda the the 2 boys were just fooling around and it got way out of hand. Yes i think they were envolved but i don't think it was planed

Posted by: Anonymous at December 11, 2009 7:48 AM

I think the girl made the comment in hopes to give the jerk of a prosecutor a way out. If she bad mouths the system, and somehow proves her case they will have to admit they were wrong, and no matter what country we have seen the system does not like to admit the made a mistake. So you do a little sucking up, what does she have left??

Posted by: JEFF at December 11, 2009 9:28 AM

I agree with Jeff... The Italian Court is too embarrassed to admit they were wrong so they found her guilty. But I don’t believe she is. She has to maintain her composure and cannot go on bad mad mouthing the Italian courts. She is playing by their rules now and it is in her interest. I believe in her innocence. The whole case was corrupt from the start. It’s a reflection of the ignorance of the Italian government. From the start, police tampering with evidence, lack of evidence to her prejudice trail. Being an American definitely had a major role in contributing to her verdict. That is why I hope that the American government will step in and help free her. I pray for her release and capture of the real murders.

Posted by: Annie at December 11, 2009 10:27 AM

"Days are scrolls: write on them what you want to be remembered."

Posted by: Arlingnne at December 11, 2009 10:42 AM

"If you want to leave footprints in the sands of time, don't drag your feet. "-A.L.S.

Posted by: Arlingnne at December 11, 2009 10:44 AM

I find it amusing that Americans are so quick to criticize the quality of the judicial process in other countries when they live by a system in most states that allows regular "inhumane" executions, detainment without trial and hundreds kept on death row for years not knowing when they will die, assuming they were guilty in the first place. How do you have justice when the officials are pandering to the electorate? There's something about glass houses and stones that springs to mind!

Posted by: pf at December 11, 2009 10:58 AM

I have followed this case since the very beginning and i believe that amanda is innocent of the murder. She may be guilty of hiding some of the facts due to her and boyfriends drug use there. This girl was only 20yrs old when this happened. Her naivity and different behaviour has been the nail in her coffin. Amanda was convicted in the court of public opinion, not on the evidence that was presented. Thank you.

Posted by: Criss at December 11, 2009 11:16 AM

pf...i don't know where you get your info, but you sound like another antiamerican out there. um, what constitutes "inhumane" executions? the guillotine? many states have actually suspended the death penalty--i for one don't believe in it, and many others are working to end it. detainment without trial--sounds like you are listening to msnbc or something! right to a speedy trial is one of the bedrocks of our judicial system; if anything, criminals in the US have too many rights (ask any police officer). too many years on death row...first you are complaining we put people to death, then you complain we aren't killing them fast enough! do some research before posting stupidity, please.

Posted by: SR at December 11, 2009 11:29 AM

Once again we see the US claiming that being American equates to innocence and it must be the corrupt foreign judicial system framing the poor little American. As we all know, no American has ever been guitly of murder. Ohhh, wait!!! Americans only commit murders in the US, that must be it. This woman is guilty, her whole demanour radiates guilt. But she has the smugness of the guilty knowing that the US will demand her release purely because she is American with no reference to evidence.

Posted by: Mike at December 11, 2009 11:29 AM

Sad that SR comments on what is assumed to be there rather than what I wrote. I suggest "inhumane" is any procedure which allows for suffering before death. e.g. recent occasion with ELEVEN attempts to find a vein before injecting.(research) Heard of Guantanemo? (research again)
I'm completely opposed to capital punishment in any form but if states insist it's the right way, why are people forced to wait years, expecting to be to be executed any day?
You say "criminals have too many rights" Isn't justice about proving people are guilty beyond doubt?

Posted by: pf at December 11, 2009 11:44 AM

Sad that SR comments on what is assumed to be there rather than what I wrote. I suggest "inhumane" is any procedure which allows for suffering before death. e.g. recent occasion with ELEVEN attempts to find a vein before injecting.(research) Heard of Guantanemo? (research again)
I'm completely opposed to capital punishment in any form but if states insist it's the right way, why are people forced to wait years, expecting to be to be executed any day?
You say "criminals have too many rights" Isn't justice about proving people are guilty beyond doubt?

Posted by: pf at December 11, 2009 11:45 AM

There have been many people convicted on less physical evidence in U.S. courts. I for one have no desire to go fooling around in any foriegn country. At least in the U.S. ,as an american you are familiar with the justice system. I want to know why all the talking heads are so behind this woman. Are her parents rich or connected?

Posted by: jerry at December 11, 2009 12:04 PM

Actually Italians love americans,I have been stationed here for 3 year's and I love it here.Italians are VERY respectful of everone,and you don't have much crime at all.They take the law seriously,in 2007 72 police and 3 judges went to jail,yet there is only 58 million in Italy.If you stayed here any length of time you would not want to leave,some soldiers stay 7 or 8 years because they love it so much.

Posted by: mac at December 11, 2009 12:04 PM

pf is just jealous because America turned down his citizenship application and sent him back to his own crappy country.

Posted by: SR rocks at December 11, 2009 12:16 PM

A break in that was staged.
A weapon found in the boyfriends home with DNA from the victim and suspect.
A grocer stating Amanda was waiting for his store to open to buy cleansers, the morning after the murder.
An accusation by Amanda, naming another individual as the murderer. This individual was jailed until facts proved him innocent of any involvement. Amanda let this man sit in jail 14 days before she decided she was wrong about her suspicion of him.
Amanda's and her boyfriends shoe prints found in the blood.
Her boyfriends blood found on the bra strap of the victim.
Both the victims blood and Amanda's were found in the sink.
I too feel for the girl and her family. What a nightmare knowing you could spend most of your life locked up in a foreign country and not having your family close by. But, this is not a good reason to let someone go free if they are indeed quilty.
Perhaps she should agree to hypnotisim to help officials remember what took place that night
I don't believe being in another country under their justice system really should have any bearing on her innocence or quilt. In this country,that is like saying someone is innocent or quilty because they were black or white.

Posted by: pat at December 11, 2009 12:26 PM

i think shes guilty as hell she nows what happened but cant say anything... deny deny deny best defense for a guilty person.

Posted by: Mark at December 11, 2009 12:30 PM

Why are American bloggers so arrogant? When we travel to other countries we agree to be governed by their laws the minute we set foot on their soil. If Knox didn't want to risk an encounter with the Italian Justice system, she should have stayed home. PF is right--our system is a travisty of what we think it is. I was impressed that she only got 27 years for murder, instead of 25 to life. I felt that she got very humane treatment for a vile crime. Americans are judged by a jury of their peers also. Unless evidence to the contrary can be produced--the verdict stands. At least she wasn't in Texas!

Posted by: po1706 at December 11, 2009 12:37 PM

She's GUILTY!! I'm glad the jury found her as such. Lock her up and throw away the key!!

Posted by: Dawn at December 11, 2009 12:41 PM

FREE AMANDA KNOX

Posted by: Qui at December 11, 2009 1:02 PM

My husband and I believed she was guilty from day one. She is far from naive. I don't think this was the first incident with drugs and sex for her and her boyfriend(s). I believe she is a sociopath and deserves to serves at least 26 years in prison. She should have gotten life in prison for the life she took.

Posted by: Rita at December 11, 2009 1:16 PM

I have wrestled with the guilt or innocence of Amanda Knox and Raffaele since the trial began. In the beginning, I thought they were both guilty as sin. The cartwheels in the police station during the interview, the kissing outside of the crime scene, the trip to buy lingerie - all of it seemed circumspect. However, after following the trial closely and all evidence therein, I strongly believe they are both innocent and had nothing to do with this horrible crime. Rude Guede's (sentenced to 30 years and plead guilty) DNA was ALL OVER the room. The pieces of DNA from Amanda and raffaele were microscopic - which is hard to believe if you have seen photos of the crime scene. Only Meredith and those who killed her know what really happened but as a juror I could not, in good faith, have convicted Amanda and raffaele beyond a reasonable doubt. My heart breaks for them and their families.

Posted by: Glenn at December 11, 2009 1:18 PM

I live in the southern U.S. It is interesting that Americans are saying she is innocent. No one seems to mention the fact that she first blamed an innocent black man, albeit from Africa, as the one who committed this act. He was arrested and locked up. She would not have had this outpouring of support had she been tried in the states where that tactic has been used by guilty caucasian females before...to no avail.

Posted by: SouthernMan at December 11, 2009 1:31 PM

the knife found in amanda's boyfriend's apartment that had been bleached, had traces of the victim's dna on the tip of it and amanda knox's fingerprints on the handle. smoking gun.
her behavior of an innocent girl in the beginning caught up with her, true. but i agree, she never stood up for herself and said, i'm not guilty, i did not do this, this is a travisty, only her family is doing this.
italian courts run differently than the states, it doesn't make the trial wrong, or bad, just different. i've seen no remorse from this girl, she likes the cameras.

Posted by: reeblite at December 11, 2009 1:34 PM

you all sound stupid

Posted by: Anonymous at December 11, 2009 1:38 PM

I don't know how us Americans can judge another justice system when ours is clearly the most flawed system on the planet. We have more people incarcerated then China and Russia COMBINED! And China has over a billion people! Land of the free my rear. Want to stand up for America>>>>BUY American products. Slamming Italy just proves you are arrogant and ignorant.

Posted by: Todd at December 11, 2009 1:40 PM

smoking gun? the knife they found in the boyfriend's apartment that 1), had been bleached, 2) had traces of victim's dna on the tip of the blade, 3)had amanada knox's fingerprints on the handle. guilty or coverup. or both. prosecutors know alot more than the families or us about this case. there is NO reasonable doubt in Italy, so american posters here need to read about the justice system there, and stop talking about reasonable doubt. it's a mute point.

she likes the camera, and shows no remorse. nor is she screaming, i didn't do it, only her family is.

the italian justice system is only different from the states, doesn't make it bad, or wrong. it could be better than ours. who knows? all i know is with all the international press this case received, you can be sure they watched what they were doing.

Posted by: reeblite at December 11, 2009 1:42 PM

Of course she is guilty!! 19 year old American girls with clean backgrounds are always killing their roommates with knives and especially when they have no real reason to. Happens all the time.

Posted by: Mike at December 11, 2009 1:43 PM

pat, i agree with you, there was plenty of evidence for a conviction. also, the body being found covered up, something a female would do. i don't think this was premeditated either. the smoking gun for me was the knife found in the boyfriend's apartment in the kitchen drawer, that had been bleached, had traces of the victim's dna on the tip of the knife and amanda knox's fingerprints on the handle. guilt or coverup.

she's shown no remorse or pleadings of innocence in the court. only her family. she loves the camera and the attention, the smiles she gives when the cameras are rolling.

the italian court system is just different from the US, for all we know, it could be far more effective. i'm tired of hearing about beyond a reasonable doubt. it doesn't exist in the italian court system. it's a mute point.
people posting this stuff here need to read how the italian court is run.

though my heart breaks for all involved, what happened, happened, it's tragic for that girl to lose her life so young and in such a manner. these kids have to pay for their part in this. her rent money was missing, how convenient, maybe to pay for drugs and alcohol? the prosecutors and the police know alot more than what we do or the family, and with all the publicity, i'm sure they've been careful as possible. just because it's different from the US, doesn't make it wrong.

Posted by: reeblite at December 11, 2009 1:53 PM

pat, i agree with you, there was plenty of evidence for a conviction. also, the body being found covered up, something a female would do. i don't think this was premeditated either. the smoking gun for me was the knife found in the boyfriend's apartment in the kitchen drawer, that had been bleached, had traces of the victim's dna on the tip of the knife and amanda knox's fingerprints on the handle. guilt or coverup.

she's shown no remorse or pleadings of innocence in the court. only her family. she loves the camera and the attention, the smiles she gives when the cameras are rolling.

the italian court system is just different from the US, for all we know, it could be far more effective. i'm tired of hearing about beyond a reasonable doubt. it doesn't exist in the italian court system. it's a mute point.
people posting this stuff here need to read how the italian court is run.

though my heart breaks for all involved, what happened, happened, it's tragic for that girl to lose her life so young and in such a manner. these kids have to pay for their part in this. her rent money was missing, how convenient, maybe to pay for drugs and alcohol? the prosecutors and the police know alot more than what we do or the family, and with all the publicity, i'm sure they've been careful as possible. just because it's different from the US, doesn't make it wrong.
i'd love to see this case on court tv.

Posted by: reeblite at December 11, 2009 1:55 PM

I have yet to see the video of over 30 hours of police interrogation of Amanda (this will probably explain her different stories and naming somoeone else for the murder)
Bloody clothes of both amanda and rafaelle
Matching shoes OF rafaelle with victim's blood of which prosecutor claimed it was his shoe prints
Police tampering to rafaelle's computer that wiped out all the activities he's done that night - has this been proven as claimed by amanda's parents?
What prosecutor/police used on obtaining blood/dna in the bathroom and every room (proper gear and chemical used without discoloration)
1 witness said she heard screams, running and foot noises inside the house? - why didn't she call the police
Rudy's testimony on tape that the 2 were involved without coercion from the prosecutor/police officers
Friends of meredith's - did they really have proof that amanda and rafaelle did it or were they basing it on the two's supposedly odd behavior?
I still don't know what really happened that night as there has been too many questions and irregularities in investigation. I don't question Italian justice system, I just need more evidence to show proof of innocence or guilt and with all the evidence that's been presented, nothing is conclusive. Even their own forensics say's the knife does not match
Does anybody knows any of these?

Posted by: mj at December 11, 2009 2:07 PM

I think its funny that most of the the females posting here all think shes guilty and the guys say innocent.. LOL Young and Beautiful...

Posted by: Greg at December 11, 2009 2:25 PM

She was found guilty. Her boyfriend was found guilty as well, same evidence, same trial. Don't hear too much conversation about "reasonable doubt" for him. Of course he was not an American. Hmmm, maybe the jurors decision wasn't based on "anti-americanism" after all. Although the lucky guy did get one year less on his sentence.


Posted by: lj at December 11, 2009 3:13 PM

It's like she is a prisoner of war, now they have her confessing things to the media. The Italian Justice system is flawed and they are obviously emmbarrased by American outrage.

Posted by: Jack at December 11, 2009 3:58 PM

Knox is a guilty cow. She made no attempt at a rational explanation which an innocent person would MOST DEFINATELY have done. Why doesn't she simply say 'I f----d up, shagged where I maybe shouldn't have, let me get on with the 26'. PS Amanda, I hope the food's crappy ... catch ye later ... much later!

Posted by: Raymond Potgieter at December 11, 2009 4:05 PM

Hey folks. I read all of the comments here and on my space about "Foxy Knoxy" I did not follow the trial that close. I am not going to say if she is guilty or not. Let the courts decide. The jury decided she is guily. Don't you folks know how lucky she is? In America she would be facing the death penalty. That is one lucky foxy lady. Amanda will live and see daylight again, it might take 26 years but in the US you would never see daylight for the same crime. I am not so sure if she can win her appeal. I tell you what folks i'll take the 26 years at that age, 22 years young, you be out of prison before your'e 50. I'll take that sentence. Folks i know you would accept the same sentence, i would. Hey folks how do you think they will treat Amanda in prison? Let me tell you folks one thing, the Italian guards will be having sex with Amanda, you can take that to the bank. I would do the same.

Posted by: james at December 11, 2009 4:25 PM

I Think she might not be totally innocent but the evidence should have gave them a reasonable doubt. Clearly the bra strap was tainted evidence, it went from being white to brown from dirt, then the most crucial evidence. THE KNIFE, it was not consistant with size if the wounds and was not the same knife that was outlined on the bed in blood. If i cut you with a butter knife it will not match up to a machete. These are clear evidence problems. The Media Convicted her calling her Foxy Knoxy...they needed the publicity and they got it at the expense of a young woman. Even in the US system "If the glove don't fit you must not convict"

Posted by: Anthony at December 11, 2009 5:27 PM

Saying her trial was "correct" is akin to saying a person received "due process" in the US. The trial conformed to Italian protocol for a trial. A person can receive "due process" and still not get a fair trial and can still be wrongly convicted in the US, Italy, or anywhere.

Posted by: JGW at December 11, 2009 5:31 PM

Who the hell cares? She either did or didn't do a stupid thing in another country. It's their problem now. Besides she most likely did do it, so let her serve the time in place of the incidents' occurrence. Quit bitchin about her being "innocent" and blah blah blah. If they found her guilty, she probably is. Go Italy!

Posted by: Mr. T at December 11, 2009 5:40 PM

the law of the land where the crime was committed convicted her, personally i think she`s guilty

Posted by: steve at December 11, 2009 5:54 PM

She is guilty for not being transparent enough.

Posted by: Bob at December 11, 2009 6:25 PM

FREE AMANDA & RAFFAELE the Media, the Prosecutor and Jury are massively wrong this whole fantasy was created by the media & Prosecution. I have heard from other Italians that this was an unjust case. It is so blantly obivious that Rudy Guede killed Meredith Kercher all by himself, look at his character & criminal record. The knife was too big even the defense said that. If you live with people your basic DNA will be everywhere. The real damage was all on Guede, also he ran. Amanda & Raffaele did not. I think they both are afraid to condemn the Prosecution, the court because it so corrupt.

Posted by: LC at December 11, 2009 6:56 PM

Another case of "we'll never know." If you people are going to post things with such strong opinions that are trying to come across with some authority, please attempt to use proper spelling, grammar and english. Good Lord you people drive me crazy with that. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't even spell correctly?

Posted by: mama_flea at December 11, 2009 7:23 PM

Of course she is guilty. Who cleaned and bleached the crime scene? Not Rudy, because all his fingerprints were found. So, someone else cleaned the crime scene and left Rudy's fingerprints there. Amanda lived in the house, but no fingerprints from her were found at all. This is just one tiny piece of evidence in connection with a receipt for bleach and that she was spotted in the early morning after the murder buying cleaning supplies. There is so much more. She is found guilty because of overwhelming evidence against her. Take your time and read the accusations and the evidence from the prosecution before you post a comment. I wished every case is so clear.

Posted by: Mima at December 11, 2009 8:03 PM

Either Amanda Knox is a complete idiot and deserves to go to jail for life, or she's totally innocent. How could someone murder someone else, make a complete mess of the crime scene, and then act like nothing happened? (Especially if they were roommates?) I think it was someone else altogether. Why would Amanda and her Harry Potter bofriend murder that girl? For sex games? Please. That sounds so crazy. I feel bad for Amanda. I don't think she did it at all.

Posted by: TooBad at December 11, 2009 8:39 PM

I don't think she did it either. I feel so bad for her, her ex, her family, Meredith and her family. The evidence just doesn't add up. Can you imagine what it must feel like for someone to murder and rape your best friend, and you and your boyfriend get blamed for it? People call you a murderer and a pervert, and even your best friends family believes you did it. Not to mention spending YEARS incarcerated. I just hope justice is done for all. RIP Meredith.

Posted by: justsad at December 11, 2009 9:42 PM

As an American who lived in Italy for 6 1/2 years and just returned last December I have to say that she was a victim of anti- American sentiment. Italians do not like Americans, they would throw rocks at our cars because we had American military plates. We were constantly overcharged, fined and harassed simply because we were American. When she made that statement, she was trying to make the next 20 something years of her life bearable. She is probibly just fighting for her survival at this point. It is really sad, but they have her now, so she has to do whatever she can to survive in a prison full of people who already hate her for her nationality. Buona Fortuna Amanda.

Posted by: lived in Italy too long... at December 11, 2009 11:37 PM

As an American who lived in Italy for 6 1/2 years and just returned last December I have to say that she was a victim of anti- American sentiment. Italians do not like Americans, they would throw rocks at our cars because we had American military plates. We were constantly overcharged, fined and harassed simply because we were American. When she made that statement, she was trying to make the next 20 something years of her life bearable. She is probibly just fighting for her survival at this point. It is really sad, but they have her now, so she has to do whatever she can to survive in a prison full of people who already hate her for her nationality. Buona Fortuna Amanda.

Posted by: lived in Italy too long... at December 11, 2009 11:37 PM

All I can say is stay as far away from Italy as you can. Your life depends on it. They are a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: Jack at December 12, 2009 1:52 AM

If this were a 48 year old American man would there be so much controversy over this trial...I think not. I think everyone is so wrapped up in the image of Amanda Knox that they are refusing to look at the facts. I am not claiming to know if she is guilty or innocent, but I think she has a lot of people pulling for her based on the fact that she is a young, college girl who had her whole life ahead of her. We should all look past this image and just get over this girl. Meredith Kercher was a young, college girl who had her whole life ahead of her as well, but she's not here to fight for herself and to tell us what happened to her. Good for the Italian Justice System for trying to stand up for her and figure out what happened to her. I don't think anyone has even mentioned her or thought about what her family is going through. If Amanda Knox innocent then I pray she will not have to suffer spending time in prison much longer, but if she is guilty then this is what she deserves.

Posted by: aa at December 15, 2009 2:08 PM

People are analyzing what happenned incorrectly, and, therefore, are missing the picture.

It might not be that difficult to understand what happenned if we begin from the right place.

Let's begin with what we can say we trust we know: The toilet in the bathroom.


The toilet in the bathroom tells us that Guede was at the scene. He has not argued that he was not at the scene at the approximate time of the murder. He has stated that he held her after she was cut.

This does not mean he killed her. This is a "squared" fact...Guede was there, and Guede held her after she was cut. Let's start from there.

Blood on the pillowcase -- fits to what Guede has stated. Guede's DNA in and on her body --- fits what Guede has stated, and he hasn't said incredibly much. Now, she's cut, Guede is holding her, and he touches a number of things.

Did Guede use the bathroom before or after she was cut? Let's say probably before, because after she is cut his motivation is escape and he would certainly have flushed the toilet. The toilet is not flushed because he was hiding in the bathroom. Hiding from who? He doesn't flush the toilet because he doesn't want the toilet to make noise --- because he is trying to hear something.

Remember that Guede stated that he was in the bathroom AND had his iPod on listening to music. Let's accept that as true. He's not rushing in order to escape, and he's not worried, he's listening to music.

When he goes into the bathroom he is not hiding. When he goes into the bathroom he is not really worried. What changes that? Find the piece...There's someone outside the door saying something that sounds mutedly strange. The speakers don't realize he is there in the bathroom. Had either of the voices been that of intruding strangers, the closed bathroom door would have been cause for immediate alarm.

The parties in the hall know the living patterns and habits of the occupants and reflexively do not suspect the bathroom door. Another way to put this: Because you live with the people there, you know that if you come in and there is one of you housemates in the bathroom, within in 2 minutes either that person will come out to check or call out to see who's home. No one does either, you reflexively assume there is no person in the bathroom. Who is assuming this? Who is in the hallway...?

More interestingly, what if the person in the hall knew that two of the roomates are away for several days, and the person has indication that the other roommate is in her room. It's reflexive deduction: "The bathroom door is closed , but no one is in there."

Now let's break from these facts and establish a timeline framework --- but not a timeline for the murder. Let's establish and look at what we know binds all of this together: The statements of the parties involved. Who said what, when. and why...Then we'll place our facts around our insights.


Guede in the bathroom. Guede with music. Guede doesn't flush. Guede holds Meredith ( not masking evidence --- more concerned, than "smart" ).

(more soon) ( What actually happenned is a shocker )

Posted by: Yatenga at December 18, 2009 9:08 PM

People are analyzing what happenned incorrectly, and, therefore, are missing the picture.

It might not be that difficult to understand what happenned if we begin from the right place.

Let's begin with what we can say we trust we know: The toilet in the bathroom.


The toilet in the bathroom tells us that Guede was at the scene. He has not argued that he was not at the scene at the approximate time of the murder. He has stated that he held her after she was cut.

This does not mean he killed her. This is a "squared" fact...Guede was there, and Guede held her after she was cut. Let's start from there.

Blood on the pillowcase -- fits to what Guede has stated. Guede's DNA in and on her body --- fits what Guede has stated, and he hasn't said incredibly much. Now, she's cut, Guede is holding her, and he touches a number of things.

Did Guede use the bathroom before or after she was cut? Let's say probably before, because after she is cut his motivation is escape and he would certainly have flushed the toilet. The toilet is not flushed because he was hiding in the bathroom. Hiding from who? He doesn't flush the toilet because he doesn't want the toilet to make noise --- because he is trying to hear something.

Remember that Guede stated that he was in the bathroom AND had his iPod on listening to music. Let's accept that as true. He's not rushing in order to escape, and he's not worried, he's listening to music.

When he goes into the bathroom he is not hiding. When he goes into the bathroom he is not really worried. What changes that? Find the piece...There's someone outside the door saying something that sounds mutedly strange. The speakers don't realize he is there in the bathroom. Had either of the voices been that of intruding strangers, the closed bathroom door would have been cause for immediate alarm.

The parties in the hall know the living patterns and habits of the occupants and reflexively do not suspect the bathroom door. Another way to put this: Because you live with the people there, you know that if you come in and there is one of you housemates in the bathroom, within in 2 minutes either that person will come out to check or call out to see who's home. No one does either, you reflexively assume there is no person in the bathroom. Who is assuming this? Who is in the hallway...?

More interestingly, what if the person in the hall knew that two of the roomates are away for several days, and the person has indication that the other roommate is in her room. It's reflexive deduction: "The bathroom door is closed , but no one is in there."

Now let's break from these facts and establish a timeline framework --- but not a timeline for the murder. Let's establish and look at what we know binds all of this together: The statements of the parties involved. Who said what, when. and why...Then we'll place our facts around our insights.


Guede in the bathroom. Guede with music. Guede doesn't flush. Guede holds Meredith ( not masking evidence --- more concerned, than "smart" ).

(more soon) ( What actually happenned is a shocker )

Posted by: Yatenga at December 18, 2009 9:10 PM

You been smokin crack, Yatenga. LOL She is innocent.

Posted by: Jack at December 22, 2009 5:17 PM

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